Tuesday 28 August 2007

Free intellectual services agreement in my imagination

Service License for search, e-mail and other Internet services in my imagination

Free intellectual services agreement

The service is provided by the runing probram managed by ***. Service to your own information, Information on the Internet, or to the information accesible, including static or dynamic, in accordance with certain rules to be processed and made available to you or your designated target audience. As the service provider and the user, we share below rights and responsibilities,

The service collect various types of information that we think you are willing to provide. The service provides you the method by which you can exclude/include your information from/into our sources of information. If at any time you do not want your information collected by this service, and you cannot remove it from the sources of information, please contact ***.

As the rules of filtering, merging, sorting to collected information, *** will keep it open and transparent. If you think one of them or all is/are not fair, you can vote online and make comments through our services site. *** reserves the right to decide whether to change.

For your account and related content in services that may exists, such as e-mail, *** is possible to provided them to government per their legal request. We will notify you as soon as we can if permitted by law. You can also ask us to publish the process detail later.

As the output of the services, it will be provided "as is". *** does not ensure any accuracy, correctness, completeness on it. For the possibility of omissions, errors, please contact ***. We will correct it as soon as possible or tell you why we cannot do so.

自由智力服务协议

我设想中的搜索,电子邮件等互联网服务的协议

自由智力服务协议

本服务由×××开发并运行的程序提供。此服务由×××管理。此服务对您本人的信息,互联网上的信息,或其能访问的信息,包括静态的或动态的,按照一定的规则加以处理并提供给您或您指定的接受对象。×××遵循,

本服务中自动采集各种我们认为您愿意提供的信息。同时此服务提供将您的信息从我们服务的信息来源中去除的方法。如果在任何时候您不希望您的信息被此服务采集,并且不能自己将其从此服务的信息来源中清除,请联系×××。

本服务对信息的处理规则中的过滤,合并,排序,将保持公开,透明。如果您认为其中之一或全部不够公平合理,可以投票提出您的意见。×××保持决定是否变更的道权。

本服务中所创建的您的帐号和与此相关的内容,例如电子邮件等,×××可能将应服务所在地政府要求提供细节。我们将在法律所允许的最早时间内您告知。并可仅您的要求在此服务的网站上予以公布。

本服务所输出的信息尽可能“原样”提供,不承担任何担保责任。对于可能发生的遗漏,错误,请联系,×××将尽快予以改正。

Wednesday 22 August 2007

关于集体诉讼的细节问题

关于集体诉讼的细节问题

有些网友在发电子邮件给我报名,同时他们颇多疑惑之处。所以在此解释一下我设想的起诉步骤的细节。本次集体诉讼行为完全基于自愿,本人并不提供法律或商业上的任何保证,包括信息更新的准确,行为中的具体步骤是否发生,最终结果是否有利于本次行为的主体。本人只是一个协调人,讼友参加本案完全出于其自愿,本人不承担任何不属于本人行为的责任。如果您认为本文述及的行为违反了中华人民共和国现行法律,请勿参加此次行为。本人声明不会鼓励任何人采取任何违反中华人民共和国现行法律的行为来声援或支持本次行为。本文采取Creative Commons Attribution Non-commercial Share Alike的版权条款。

我国法律的术语应该叫共同诉讼,法规的具体解释可以看一下,"http://www.hainu.edu.cn/zy_jingpinkecheng/asp_hainu_show.asp?id=3795&fuji_bbsid="。

根据这个相关的法律解释和本案的实际情况,我理了一下本案的后续诉讼的一些细节。

诉讼方式有两个选择。其一,将一家全国性的电信公司及其所有各省分公司列为共同被告,集合到足够多的起诉人,作为一个多人对多人的诉讼。这个是难度比较大的一个选择,包括集合足够多的起诉人,选择代理人,对电信总公司和各省分公司的关系举证等等。但一旦成功,也是影响最大的一种方式。其二,根据讼友报名的情况选择人数多的几个省或者市,起诉当地的宽带服务商。这种方式进行,法理上完全可行。举证相对简单,只要能证明通过宽带服务商的网络接入服务无法正常访问某些网站即可。

第一种途径,从目前报名的讼友人数看,我认为不太可能。所以这里只讨论第二种途径。如果这种情况有足够的改善,也许我们也可以采取第一种途径。下面列出我认为最好的第二种途径的诉讼步骤,每一个步骤我都会在这篇文章上公布进展。关于诉讼费,个人认为AA制比较合理,如果有网友赞助也很欢迎。如果我们在这方面有困难,我会垫支下面步骤中列出的费用。但讼友付出的时间,精力,路费,或其他间接费用则只能说一句我被你们感动了。我不认为应该谢谢你们,就象我不认为你们应该谢谢我,因为这个诉讼将惠及我们每一个人。

  1. 访问一个被封锁的站点,例如flikr.com或者www.yzzk.com或者zh.wikipedia.org(本人8月23日注:感谢很多网友的建议,现在列出这些网站是网友留言,网下讨论的一个结果。这并不表示我们最终举证时,一定会使用这些网站)。向宽带服务商投诉网络不可访问,三天后如不能拿到公平的答复,则要求对方提供工商注册地点,法定代表人。如不能被告知,则可以到当地的工商管理局调取其注册信息。网友也可以等待共同诉讼时律师来做这件事。需要注意的是,这一步骤可能影响您的共同诉讼原告资格。
  2. 发电子邮件到yetaai at gmail dot comg 去掉最后的g报名。在电子邮件中请注明您的宽带服务商,住址和姓名,宽带服务种类。最好有电话联系方式。
  3. 选择起诉地点。实际上这是一个选择被告的问题。根据讼友的报名确定讼友人数最多的一个到三个宽带服务商做为被告。这将确定起诉地点。
  4. 确定诉讼代理人,聘请律师。可能有律师费发生。
  5. 律师或代理人最终确定被告,在当地工商登记处调出被告的登记材料。
  6. 收集证据。可以采取集体委托公证或证人见证方式保留网络访问的屏幕拷贝。可能有公证费发生。
  7. 向起诉对象发送律师函或公证函。可能会有公证费发生。
  8. 准备起诉文书,最终确定诉讼法院。正式起诉。

下面列表了目前已经报名的网友,网友不愿透露姓名的,都以保密标注。地址只标明到城市一级。

序号姓名宽带供应商宽带服务种类地址电话
1保密电信ADSL新疆乌鲁木齐保密
2保密网通ADSL北京保密
3周曙光电信ADSL湖南长沙13467668333

Wednesday 15 August 2007

户籍改革成为一场没有硝烟的南北战争,是中国公民的职责

让户籍改革成为一场没有硝烟的南北战争,是中国公民的职责。

  

南北战争,美国人民的参与程度是空前的,也希望新中国公民的参与程度是空前的,这不是仅仅是学者的事。

  

要想没有硝烟,就必须有民主,有博弈。互联网提供了最大的民主机遇。守住这宝贵的一块阵地!

豆瓣上的一些零星发言

在豆瓣南周小组的一个零星发言,觉得很能表示我的主张

  --永远做到最好,永远不要放弃,永远记住,可能有些人会恨你,但是他们不会赢,除非你恨他们,那将毁灭你自己。
  尼克松对白宫职员的告别演讲

  --在上帝面前不要太骄傲。
  电影尼克松中,尼克松签字辞职后在密室要求亨利和他一起忏悔,祈祷

  

  我不信上帝,不过我知道自然和社会面前,我们的智慧有多么渺小。

  我不喜欢尼克松在水门事件中破坏美国宪法,我仍然喜欢他像个男人一样走出白宫。

  我不认为现在的政府有好的民主,我仍然喜欢在这个环境下慢慢讲一下我的主张。

  

  我不认为文革中领导人都是处于理想,没有私心,我仍然认为当时小平和绝大多数领导在思考着国家的利益。

  我不认为广场的士兵没有做出格的事,我仍然希望他们能和学生一样在我的心中活着。立一座丰碑吧,同时为他们两方。

  

  不要太小气,利益既得者的利益总是我们社会给予他的,哪怕,是因为漏洞。哪怕是高山,如果他回来,我也觉得不一定非要判他死刑。我们,要想一下我们的根本漏洞在哪里。郑局长的死刑削弱了公众理智反省自己的力度。我们,又做了一次温水中的青蛙。

  

  --这次加一个原创的吧,谢谢李爸的批评!不过是拷贝就必须终于原文。

yetaai注:因为lipingtababa网友批评我回帖拷贝太懒,所以下了点心思。感谢他的批评。

另外一个发言

2007-08-15 18:47:19 BarryXu (上海)
  我们现在身处铁屋

2007-08-15 19:56:44 yetaai
  >>我们现在身处铁屋

  很欣赏Barry兄弟的追求自由的精神。不欣赏悲观的心态。

  

  毕竟,我们现在在这里发帖子,现在还没有被删掉。就算被删掉,毕竟还没有被起诉。就算被起诉,只要还是在遵循法定的程序,我也不想抱怨。就算被判有错,甚至有罪,那也只是法官的错。

  

  归根结底,我们到底在不在铁屋中,其实是由我们每个人的心态决定的。

  

  所以,敞开心扉,放出微笑,拥抱他人,和你讨厌的人聊一次天吧,找个机会谈一次恋爱吧。对真正的老顽固,老犬儒,千万小心别让他们抓住辫子说我们鼓吹极端,鼓吹无序,我们要民主,我们更要和平的民主,毕竟我们要的只是让自己和他人共同幸福。

  

  要不了多久,我们会比那些人数量更多的。

Tuesday 14 August 2007

希望有人能谱曲

希望有喜欢流行乐的朋友把这个词谱一下曲,改词也欢迎。贺卫方先生如果反对把名字放进来,请发邮件给我。本文采用创作共同协定授权。

生产粮食的兄弟姐妹,到城里打工感觉和城里人是一样的人吗?下岗的朋友,每天的菜钱是不是有点贵?上班的白领金领,你知道你的养老金交到什么地方了?没有毕业的学妹学弟们,房价将来还买得起吗?

天才的小朋友们,你们造的新机器人会给我们做好事吗?做生意的老板朋友,创造了财富是不是也留下了垃圾?你们在为自己的行为负责吗?屁股当脑袋的官员们,我们是不是应该定出些规则约束你?

老大哥,你好!应该怎样的和谐才好呢?卫方大哥,法律的学问做得怎么样了?我们需要法律充实自己!yetaai兄弟,网站的官司打的好吗?我们也想发发言了!

Sunday 12 August 2007

An appeal to a 2nd similar lawsuit by public

The first lawsuit in China against Internet Censorship was reported here.

A lawsuit by public can be much more powerful than my self. I am finding more people who is willing to raise a new lawsuit in similar methods with me together. The candidates can be both foreign people/entieis living in China and local Chinese individual/entities. There are several technical points to be prepared as below,

  1. According to Chinese law, explained by Li Li lawyer, a suit similar with mine is very difficult in the scope of Whole China against China telecom directly. Instead, we may have to raise lawsuit province by province. Becaues the Telecom company in each province of China is independent legal entity in most cases. We can see how many volunteers and where we are living in to have a further plan on where and how to raise 2nd lawsuits. Professional suggestionson this point are welcome.
  2. The volunteer must be a broadband service customer of a Telecom company in China.
  3. After we have enough people to sue, we will have a collective notary in one time by all people. It will be acknowledged by us together and used as the evidence.

We can also consider,

  • Bring a public letter to Chinese public and Government with suggestion on Constitution and laws on Internet.
  • Bring a public letter to big companies to comply with higher level of corporate ethics. They should learn from the company like wikia. They want to make money in Chinese market. Then they have responsibility to build a good community with local players together. Now there good players and evil players. It's there choice to stand on which side.
  • Create a website focusing on China Internet Censorship. The blogs and comments on this lawsuit can be collected. The public can raise their comments as well.

Please send email to yetaai at gmail dot comg minus g if you are interested to be a one of the public lawsuit I am appealing. Please indicate the province you are living in, the Broadband service your are using and its provider in your email. It's better to send your phone number as well. We will contact you one by one through email/phone to verify your information.

进一步的公众诉讼呼吁

一个提起公众诉讼的初步设想

  1. 诉讼深入化和普遍化。提起一个公众诉讼,使用类似于本案案情的公众诉讼就可以。同意网友的说法,删除红色字体的建议,又例如,针对一些大公司的诉讼,迫使google,微软,yahoo等在这方面不要妥协政府的不合理要求。不过,这些外来和尚为了在中国市场赚钱,助长了政府的气焰,所以可以以公开函的形式表达我们的意见。 回到正题,关于诉讼,有一些技术性的细节,
    1. 诉讼主体和诉讼地点问题。 按照李立律师的解释,按本案案情和诉讼请求,很难将中国电信列为直接被告,应为各省的电信公司都是独立的法人主体。我们会根据诉讼志愿者报名的情况确定诉讼地点和诉讼请求。如果您有专业的建议或者对中国电信和各省电信的情况了解内幕,欢迎和我们联系。
    2. 志愿诉讼者必须是电信公司的宽带客户,最好,是ADSL。公司和个人都可以。
    3. 有了足够的志愿诉讼者之后,我们会搞一个集体公证,作为起诉的证据。
  2. 发出一些公开函,提出一些宪法和互联网立法的建议。也可以对一些大公司包括google,微软,yahoo,等,要求他们提高道德水准,不要和政府的不合理要求合作。要求他们向另外一些公司,例如Wikia,学习。
  3. 建立一个专门的网站,专门针对中国的互连网监管,目前可以将内容重点放在诉讼上。可以将一些博客的意见汇集起来,建立公众的留言簿,力争聚集公民的声音。

关于公众诉讼,网友们可以先发电子邮件给我,yetaai at gmail dot comg 去掉最后的g,如果由足够的网友,我们一定能把这个事情做成的。这个是重中之重。请在邮件中注明您的居住省份,电信宽带服务商,宽带种类,最好留下电话联系方式。

Is google being evil in China now?

For big Internet names from states who are receiving hearing from Senators on their policies to implement censorship in foreign countries,

As in China, you may say that you were not evil before so many different voices emerging out. But you can not say that you are not evil now as you are still functioning improper censorship on Chinese democratic voices. I am not qualified to say if you are in violence of a Chinese and/or US law. But I am quite sure you will be evil if you don't change your policy regarding Internet censorship in China.

Saturday 11 August 2007

有感于"精英教育"

有感于肖雪慧我们需要怎样的精英

占有超过社会平均数的社会资源的人,真正的说法是利益既得者,而不是精英。精英的成就有可能得到社会的承认,也有可能得不到社会的承认。不管承认与否,他们都是社会的精英。不能说教授是精英,农民就不是精英。不管被承认与否,精英们总是一如既往,尽到自己对社会的责任,贡献自己的爱,总之,做自己能做的。

  

利益既得者是不是精英,或者说精英占利益既得者得比例,应该尽可能高,这个是一个社会机制的好坏问题,也许还有公众道德等因素在内形成的一个结果,社会需要不断反思,不断改进。但没有民主,没有讨论,就没有反思,没有改进。

  

利益既得者不要想当然认为自己是精英。考试出色造就了教育资源的利益既得者,她/他应该努力学习,力争成为社会精英。也许有朝一日她/他还会成为物质利益既得者。这无可厚非。可以后非的是,利用部分低素质公众对利益既得者的羡慕,粉饰其成精英,甚而炒作。我不能承认这样的社会氛围能把这些考试出色者培养成社会精英。

如果我拥有很多资源,我会记住自己是个利益既得者,和我是不是精英没什么关系。利益既得者应该对社会感恩,多缴税,多做好事,但千万不要就此认为自己就算是什么精英了--进而觉得自己的姓氏有什么历史。

本人注1:下文摘自肖雪慧我们需要怎样的精英

8月下旬,在云南某党报和某企业联合操作下,包专机分别送今年考上北大、清华的当地学子赴京报到,随机赴京的还有他们的父母。凤凰卫视“一虎一席谈”就包机事件举行辩论时,操办和炒作北大、清华包机的两家声称此举意在弘扬精英意识;对于享此特殊荣耀,学生和家长视则都认为理所当然;其他参与者,除个别势单力薄的反对者外,几乎一边倒地认为这有利于培养“精英意识”,言之凿凿称强化“精英意识”是社会进步的表现,指责反对者的平民化主张会将大学引向平庸。不少人甚至认定,在资源有限的情况下,应该优先满足少数“精英”——持这观点的既有学生也有作为嘉宾出场亮相的北大教师,真可谓“师生共识”。继包机事件后,大学涌动起建高尔夫球场热,厦门大学则以开设高尔夫球必修课而引人注目。面对质疑,校长朱崇实振振有词:开设高尔夫球必修课体现了厦大承担培育社会精英的责任。

肖女士所说的8月下旬应该是去年8月,新闻链接如下, 31名云南学子专机送学轰动北京

本人注2:本人也认为高校教育有很大的问题,但我认为不能一帮子打死,总不能把这些学校推倒重来吧。所以,应该多提建议和解决方案。还是那句话,没有民主,没有公众的声音参与社会博弈,就没有讨论,没有对真理的探讨,不可能有什么进步,而只有破坏,重来。当代社会,互联网是民主的桥头堡,甚至可以说是唯一可以让大众广泛参与的工具。这也是本案极力争取胜利的动力所在

Friday 10 August 2007

中国电信在本案中违反的现行中国法律

最起码,在法律层面,我已经找到了答案。请看中华人民共和国电信条例的第七十条第四项和第七十一条第二项,

第七十条 违反本条例规定,有下列行为之一的,由国务院信息产业主管部门或者省、自治区、直辖市电信管理机构依据职权责令改正,没收违法所得,处违法所得3倍以上5倍以下罚款;没有违法所得或者违法所得不足5万元的,处10万元以上100万元以下罚款;情节严重的,责令停业整顿:

(一)违反本条例第七条第三款的规定或者有本条例第五十九条第(一)项所列行为,擅自经营电信业务的,或者超范围经营电信业务的;

(二)未通过国务院信息产业主管部门批准,设立国际通信出入口进行国际通信的;

(三)擅自使用、转让、出租电信资源或者改变电信资源用途的;

(四)擅自中断网间互联互通或者接入服务的;

(五)拒不履行普遍服务义务的。

第七十一条 违反本条例的规定,有下列行为之一的,由国务院信息产业主管部门或者省、自治区、直辖市电信管理机构依据职权责令改正,没收违法所得,处违法所得1倍以上3倍以下罚款;没有违法所得或者违法所得不足1万元的,处1万元以上10万元以下罚款;情节严重的,责令停业整顿:

(一)在电信网间互联中违反规定加收费用的;

(二)遇有网间通信技术障碍,不采取有效措施予以消除的;

(三)擅自向他人提供电信用户使用电信网络所传输信息的内容的;

(四)拒不按照规定缴纳电信资源使用费的。

我不是律师,就不再具体验证本案我的案情是否属于网间通信技术障碍和网间互连互通了。专业的律师网友可以评论一下。拜托了,如果有专业的见解,请不吝赐教,给个链接也一样非常感激。

本人稍后注:这个帖子我发的时候有点脑子发热,后来我和律师沟通了,感觉在法律方面自己是个彻底的门外汉。首先,本案是民事诉讼,这个条例的适用性就有问题。就算适用,管理方也应该首先是电信的上级单位,而不是法院。也许我胜诉后可以再根据法院的判决向电信的上级单位申请对电信予以处罚。

Thursday 9 August 2007

别害羞,敞开心灵,感受,反馈

公司的整个太平洋区,最近搞公司工作环境中的人际关系调查。大概是希望知道我们的感觉和期望,改善工作环境的意思吧。Hewitt的调查卷,我做了一边,问题问得还是很尊重人的,也很有建设性和创新性。先是百分百台湾同事做完了,内地同事只有百分之十四。老板发了一个邮件,请大家参加,并说,公司很希望了解大家的想法,我就势回信,写了几句并结尾说,

Don't be shy but open your mind to feel and response
别害羞,敞开心灵,感受,反馈。

就这么一个简单的邮件,老外老板大大表扬了一番,居然说我进入了俱乐部。

这里的比例似乎是三千名内地员工,四百二十人填表,一个人加注。我还是有点受刺激的,感觉同胞们确实太懒得关注团体生态了。表现于一个国家来说,就是公众意识的缺乏。

或者我有点神经质,小题大作了。但我坚决认为国人在这方面确实需要改进。

希望和关心的网友共勉,共进

Sunday 5 August 2007

The first trial

The first Trial recording

Before the first trial

The net friends may remember that the original scheduled first trail was may 29th. It was put off and I had been waiting for sometime.

June 18th. I joined my new employer. I cannot control the result of this lawsuit. I cannot live on it even I win. My life is continuing always if I am live.

July 11th. Had a business trip to BeiJing for a ERP project. It was scheduled until the end of Octorber. The project manager is a nice foreigner and communicated with me well. I hoped that I could help him too.

2:00pm Friday, July 27th. I made a call to the Judge, Cai Dong Hui. He confirmed that the court was scheduling my lawsuit. The first trial should be Friday, Aug 3rd.

10:00am Monday, July 30th. Li Li, my lawyer for this case, sent me a message that the subpoena was sent to him. It stated that the first trial would be held on 9:00am, August 3rd, 2007. The place would be the 3rd courtroom of Shanghai Pudong court, No 611 Ding Xiang Road. I got the scanned electronic copy of it at afternoon. I thought that the project team were doing integration testing. 3 consultants had to answer questions from 30 users. I decided to stay in project so that Li Li had to attend the trial by himself only.

1pm, Wendnesday, 1st August, I got a call from Li Li. He told me that the original copies of evidence were needed in the trial. They lied in my travelling box which was in my hotel!

7pm, postman of Home express arrived my hotel in heavy rain. He looked an energetic young man. I handed the original copies to him. He told me that the latest arrived date is on August 3rd. I told him that I would lost my case. I asked him if his company had a special program for overnight delivery. I was willing to pay it. He smiled and refused my payment offer. But he told me that he will give this package a special care and it would be delivered tomorrow. I tried to tip him and was refused too. He then left the hotel in heavy rain. I am pity that he might be doing overtime work. In my impression, most Chinese workers do overtime work for free. I also feared that his business commitment of delivering my package on time. I did not know how good his company was. Back to room and sat still for an hour, finanlly I changed my mind to return to shanghai for upcoming trial. I dialed the phone of the postman and asked to cancel the service. But he said that the pakcage was loaded to a car already and in its way to airport.

August 2nd. I applied a 1 day leave from project. I called Li Li and told him that I would be in trial. He suggested that we met at 8:30am at the gate of the court yard to have a short discussion about the key points. The 7:00 flight departured at 9:00pm. Several minutes past 12:00pm, I stepped into my home.

7:11am, 3rd August. A SMS of Li Li said that my package of evidence original copies was delivered to him. Got up. Sighed saying my son having breakfast. Jeffery Wigand in The Insider hope that his dauter can see the TV programm in which he uncover the scandals of big tobacco. But I did not have any program or even no any real support so far. I wanted to take my son to listen the court. My wife did agree with me. She said it was just of wasting money and life. The media? My whistle was not bad. Save it for my self!

7:30am, August 3rd, my wife drove me to the trial then she would go to work. Turn to that lane. I reminded her. She move the sweel suddenly. You always bad idea! it's green that lane.This lane is not bad as well. Look, we moved.She was silent. The bastard is so bad. I had to be with him every day. No matter how wicky his smile is, I am angry. I want to give him a slap! Follow my order every thing from now. She smiled very sweet. Parking roadside, kiss, flying kiss, I love you, see u night.

The first trial

I called the postman and thanked him and his company for their excellent service. He wished me a good result because he surfed internet as well.

At the gate of the court yard, I met Mr. Yuan Ming Li from wikipedia for first time. He came only for listen the trial and support the lawsuit.

9:00am,the lawyer unlocked the door of the 3rd court room. The 2 representatives showed at last.

The judge, Mr. Cai Dong Hui was very young. I could be not remember the name of the cheif judge and the citizen Judge. Speed-writing seceratry was Qian Li Ying. The representative of the sued were likely named Le ying wei and Wang xiang dong. Le was a beautiful young lady. Wang was a young man high and thin. Cai introdued us each other one by one. I smiled to everybody in turn but got no response except Cai. Roughly at the end of introduction, I noticed the 2nd listener, a very energetic young man. I smiled him too. He returned me a stare lasting several seconds. I guessed him from Shanghai Telecom. Later at the end of the trial. He talked a while with Mr. Le and Wang then left before us. Until that time, he did not have a look at us.

In the procedure of the trial, Cai annouced the steps. The Cheif Judge control the speed and asked some questions, eg., what is a proxy server. Li Li and Miss Le were the main person arguing. I made some supplements sometimes which were mainly the details of some facts. Our requirements included two points. The first one wass the fix of the malfunction or the sued can explain us the reason of it in case they did not have the capability to fix it. The second one was expense claim for notary, broadband fee return etc. The fee of lawyer was expensive. But it was not listed in the original requesting document. So when Cai asked if we will include it. We dicarded it immediately. As both party acknowledged the identity each other and the service contract governs the relationship, the arguing moved quickly into the 2 focus below.

  1. If the phenomena that http://www.realcix.com/ was not accecible occured at the service site which was my rented ADSL modem located. The evidences from the sueing for this included the notary 833 and a notary letter which had been delivered to the sued. The notary document 833 were the records of a series of steps operating the computer of notary office to access http://www.realcix.com. The notary letter stated the suing could not access http://www.realcix.com/ and he raised a telephone maintenance request through telephone. He also got an answer of Non-replicalbe reason through call back. The sued acknowledged the maintenance call and the notary letter and they did not reply the notary letter. The sued's thoughts were that the 833 natary document did not record a behavior in a service site. they asked the court to confirm it unable to prove any thing. And more, the notary letter's content was nothing with this lawsuit. Hence they did not reply it. We argued that the computer in notary office was connected to the Internet through the Sued broadband as well (this point was not stated in the 833. But the sued did not argue with us. More, a result page when accessing http://www.realcix.com/ were obviously the advertisement page of the sued. It contained even some ponographice pictures. We showed to the judge clearly. I also knew tha tthe ) According to the general understanding of the public, HTTP client should return the same information when trying to access the same URL. Otherwise, i must be manipulated at the accessing point. By combine the 833 notary document and the notary letter, the court shuold consider the statement of the suing true.
  2. Should the unaccessibility be responsibility of the broadband service provider? If yes, then how to define this reponsibility. The sueing required responsibility on the sued includes restore the accessbility or give a reason. For the reason of Non-replicable reason by the sued, the sueing can not accepted it. The sued submitted the machine records that the suing accessed the internet through the service provided by the sued during the stating period. And the sued stated that their service provide this service as-is and no other responsilibty. The suing stated that the access service provided by the provider did not provide true information according to the sueing's input. Instead, the sued service provided an advertisement page which brought benefits to its stake holder. This was not in accordance with the public understanding on Internet. And the sued did not have pre-notification to the suing. And the service contact stated indeed that the service should be in accordance with public common understanding.

The arguing details were boring and difficult to be gone through step by step here. I will post the trial record here once I got it.

Stepping out of the court, Li Li good-lucked this lawsuit and Chinese net friends. But he told me that he would not be my second trial lawyer if I lost the first trial. Because there were many outside factors impacting the result of the lawsuit. He also told me that the period of the first trial verdict should not exceed 6 months according Chinese law regulation. I needed to be prepared that it came out long time ago. I felt that he was very professional and of strong Internet background. But without media and public support, I could not expect too much on him to fight against strong bureaucray organizations in a Cervantes way.

Good bye Li Li. I wanted to see you again. I called the Judge Cai and asking him some thoughts. He said that it was not good time now. But he believe that the verdict of the first trial would come out shortly. His word was somewhat different from Li Li. I did not mind the speed of the Sentence. What I need is just fairness and consiousness from the public. Without public opinion, will this court good enough to have a fair judgement on this lawsuit? Or they do be very good and a good result will awake the public expectation and consiousness on fair and equalness. I need to go home asap and kiss my wife. She was waiting for me to find many physical pleasures. It's true happiness! Even I am a downgrade one? 1

Friday 3 August 2007

8月3日的第一次开庭

庭审纪实

一审之前

可能一直关注本案的网友还记得法院对一审本来的排期是5月29日,后来延期了。

6月18日,我到新的公司报到,案子输赢不能掌控,就算赢了也不能当饭吃,生活还必须得继续。

7月11日,到北京出差,参加一个ERP系统实施项目,预计十月结束。项目经理是个老外,和我的沟通很不错,我也希望能帮到他。

7月27日礼拜五下午约两点:打电话给法官,他确认法院正在排期,应该是在8月3日礼拜五。

7月30日礼拜一约10点:收到李立律师的通知,法院的传票已经到达,定于定于2007年08月03日上午09时00分在上海市浦东新区丁香路611号本部第三法庭开庭审理。下午收到了新传票的扫描复印件。考虑到项目正在集成测试,三个顾问要应付三十个用户,就决定让律师单独参加庭审算了。

8月1日礼拜三下午1点,突然接到李立的电话,称法庭上需要所有的证据的原始件。它们现在在我酒店的文件箱里!

晚上7点,宅急送的快递员冒雨到达,我十分不放心的将原始件交给了他。他告诉我,最迟将在8月3日送达,我说那我就死定了。请他特别关照,我愿意付加急费。小伙子笑了,不收,说我们会特别关照的,一定明天送到。付小费,不收。看着他冒着大雨骑自行车离去,我心酸得厉害,小伙子本人是在加班吧。我还心慌得厉害,他有一个商业承诺,但是不知道他的公司是否能兑现。回到房间,静坐了大概一个小时,终于下定决心,返回上海参加庭审。同时拨通快递小伙的电话,要求退货,不料他说快递已经上车了,正在前往飞机场的途中。

8月2日请好假。通知李立,我将出庭。他建议我们8:30在法庭门口碰头,再简单交流一下。晚上搭乘飞机晚点,预定7点起飞的飞机到9点才开始登机,夜里十一点半,飞机飞抵虹桥,十二点多踏进家门。

8月3日早7点11分,接到李立的短消息,说快递已经送到。起床,早饭时看到儿子,想起"The Insider"中Jeffery Wigand希望他的女儿能看到他的揭发烟草公司的电视节目。轻轻叹了一声气。我是想带儿子去旁听法庭,不过,老婆不同意,不希望儿子接触这种她所谓劳命伤财的事情。媒体?我的口哨声也不错,不过还是省省吧!

8月3日早7点30分,老婆还是开车送我去法院,然后她将去上班。“从这里拐弯”,我提醒她,老婆猛地把车停到了我说的车道。“都是你,旁边的车道都绿灯了。”“这边挺好走的。”老婆闷声不吭。“旁边座的那个家伙怎么那么可恨,又要天天和他打交道。无论他怎么笑,我都看着来气!恨不得给他一耳光,以后凡是都得听我的。”老婆听着这个HIPHOP,终于笑了。停车,kiss,飞吻,我爱你。

庭审

发了一个短信谢谢快递员小伙,他回答我他为能向我提供服务很快乐。

法院大门口认识了维基百科的苑明理先生特地赶来旁听此次庭审,他很支持我们的做法。

9:00整,法官打开了第三法庭的大门。终于见到了电信的两名代表。

蔡东辉法官很年轻,审判长和人民陪审员介绍时没有来得及记下名字,书记员钱丽莹。两名电信的代表名字似乎叫乐迎伟和王向东。乐是一个很漂亮的年轻女士,王是一个个高偏瘦的先生。法官轮流介绍时,我试图和每个人都微笑一下,除了蔡法官外,没有得到回应。大约介绍完毕时,我注意到有了第二个旁听者,很有精神头的一个年轻人,我也冲他笑一下,他回应我一个持续了几秒中的盯视。我猜他是电信一方的。庭审结束时,他和乐王两位一起默默交谈了一会。不过,直到他走时也没有再给我们一个眼神。

辩论的过程主要是蔡法官宣读程序,审判长掌握节奏,也会提一些问题,比如什么是代理服务器等等,李立和乐小姐主辨,我有时候会做一点补充,主要是一些事实的细节。我方的要求主要是被告修复故障,说明故障的原因,并赔偿一些费用,如公证,上网费等。律师费虽然相对较高,但赔偿律师费的要求因为我方事先准备不充分,当庭放弃了。由于对于双方对于身份和服务合同的认定都没有异议。辩论的主要焦点很快就集中到如下两点。

  1. 不能访问网站的现象是否在服务现场(我租赁的ADSL线路终端介入地点)发生了。原告的主要证据是公证书和送达对方法定代表人的公证函。公证书是在公证处的办公室对其电脑上网进行的一系列操作的记录。公证函描述了原告碰到问题后,向电信服务中心报修的电话和对其“非回复性原因”的答复不满意的投诉。被告承认收到了报修电话和公证函。承认没有对公证函回复。被告认为,公证书记录的行为地址不在服务现场,要求认定无效。进而认为,公证函的内容和本案无关,因此没有回复我的公证函。我方认为,公证处也是通过上海电信的互联网宽带接入,(这一点在公证书中并未明确说明,但对方也未反驳,不过我在做公证的时候询问过公证员,确实如此,同时他们使用ADSL直接接入,没有通过公司网络。即便对方反驳,我方也有其他辅助性证据,因为公证书的访问结果的一个屏幕拷贝是电信的广告页面,而且包含情欲挑逗性质的照片。),按照互联网的公众理解,在不同的接入点访问同样的URL应该获得同样的结果,否则,应该是接入点进行了操纵。考虑到公证处的公信力,和本案电话申诉的细节,应认定原告陈述的事实属实。
  2. 这一现象是否应该作为故障由电信处理,换句话说,按照双方合同约定的服务此现象是否应该由电信承担责任。如果承担,承担什么样的责任。原告要求对方对此的责任包括修复,或说明原因,对被告原先所给的“非回复性原因”,原告不能认可。被告提交了原告上网的记录,同时声称电信已经将原告的设备连接到互联网,证明这一通道连通,服务并无瑕疵。其服务仅限于连通这一通道。我方认为,对方提供的通道没有按照原告的要求从互联网上获取真实的信息,而是提供了一个虚假的广告性页面。这一通道不符合公众对互联网的常识性认知,又没有对用户进行事先告知。违反了其合约要求符合公众常识的规定。

具体辩论的过程比较繁琐,以后拿到庭审记录会张贴到此处的。

事后,李立律师对我说,他希望我本案能胜诉,中国的网友好运。但由于干扰本案判决的外部原因太多,牵扯的时间精力也太多,如果一审输掉的化,他不能再帮我打二审。我感觉他还是一个能力很强的律师,对业务很精通,互联网背景也很强。但缺少媒体和大众的支持,和我一起堂佶科德式的对抗强大的官僚机构,我也不能太强求他。

送走李立,致电蔡东辉法官,询问他的一些看法,他表示目前还不太方便透露。同时他认为本案的一审宣判将会很快到来。但刚才李立律师告诉我,高院规定的期限是六个月。我不是太在意判决的快慢,我只需要一个公平的正义。但没有公众的压力,现在的法庭会进步到正确判决本案吗?也许我应该反过来期望法庭的胜诉能唤起公众对正义和平等的期望。我想我还是赶紧回家亲亲老婆吧,她还有很多地方等着我去寻找亲昵,真正的快乐!哪怕我是一个下等人 1

Wednesday 1 August 2007

也许我们真的可以想点什么,做点什么,根据我们自己的想法

只是一个草稿,希望和同道中人多交流,多鼓吹,多做事

平等先进公民促进会宪章

我在一篇文章中指出,权利一词的翻译并不好,完全是误导民众。我提出道权一词可以表达英文中的原译 1,所以这里使用它。

从民众对各种资源的所有权,使用权上来说,现代社会中的道权可以认为是一种动态的模型。人们的经济实力消长变化,人群个体的生老病死,对于社会中其本人和他人的所有权和使用权都会产生各种影响。如何让社会各们各派的人近可能平等的享受各种紧缺资源,使用法律的手段讲这种模型的动态变化管理起来,让全体社会公民感受到真正的公平,是定义未来社会的一个基本方式。

可能,现在的中国普通民众,真的还没有到达,能够通过自发的意识和行为,创建一个崭新的大中华圈,熟练稳妥地构造并维护这样的模型。但如果有同道能和我有同样的强人所难的愿望,和一颗真正愿人人幸福平等的爱心,来和我共同呼吁,努力,我是非常高兴和荣幸地。

福利道权

首先需要建立的是近可能平等的福利道权。现代社会是经济社会,经济总量可以用货币金额来衡量。然而,单个公民所占有的货币金额的分布如果太畸形而又没有什么制约手段的话,富裕公民将无限制地支配社会资源,而贫穷的公民们只能可怜地挣扎。而一个完善的福利社会则可以保证最贫穷的人群获得最基本的经济道权,货币权,这也是其他道权的基础。现在,由于政权集中掌握在政府手中,完全没有制约因素,导致此道权完全失衡。按照现今中国的福利道权状况,如果将中国成年公民大致可以分为公务员,非公务员城市劳动者,非公务员普通劳动者,每个群体也包括对应的老年人和病人。公务员和非公务员差别巨大。而非公务员城市劳动者和农村劳动者之间又让人迷惑不已。考虑公务员问题可以通过政府行政改革,增加透明度和监管问题解决,这里重点看一下城市和农村劳动者的差别。城市劳动者对于土地没有拥有权,但就业市场上受到劳动法保护。农村劳动者拥有土地的有限权益,但就业市场受到的劳动保护欠缺。个人认为城市劳动者的福利道权使一种真正市场经济的做法,同时又尽可能能够照顾社会的平等。如果认定这种道权是未来的方式的化,应该以此为蓝本,设计和实施未来的福利道权。由于,农村劳动者对于土地的道权,如果不是用于农业生产的化,必须加以限制,例如缴纳土地税。

总的说来,公务员群体是建立一个平等福利道权的最大阻碍力量。农村劳动者是否愿意将集体所有权转化为全民所有权是福利道权等否建立的最大未知数。

土地道权

土地道权的建立可以说是千年农业社会能否转变的重中之中。在此我愿意假设农村劳动者愿意接受福利和退休条款放弃土地的集体所有权。那么,建立土地规模化农业生产,同时保护环境则需要商业和科技人士的努力。这个是一个巨大的社会创新和商业创新。农产品生产工业化,科技化,价格市场化则是此创新能否成功的关键指出。土地所有者对于土地的使用必须收到严格监控,用于农业生产,绿化的税收和房地产开发的税收必须加以分割。

对于商业和住房地产的使用,必须严格限制个人可以拥有的数量。基于个人拥有的土地面积的税将是非常公平的。可以实施累进税率。个人可以拥有,但按土地面积必须缴纳土地税。土地财产的转移必须缴纳至少百分之三十的转移税,包括遗产继承。公司拥有的地产可以按公司的员工数量计算平均土地面积,实施行业性的累进税率。由国家按环保和科技发展的需要制定。

平等的道权之路

无论如何,不能平等对待自己的同胞,也不能平等对待地球人的事实,是近代中国的一个巨大耻辱。起码,大陆人,港澳人互相来往进出不应该实施所谓港澳证制度。事实上,这一制度只是沦为公安部等少数政府机关牟取私利的一个工具。而超过十亿内地人沦为了下等人。让人笑话的是,政府的所谓领导们则可以随意出入。不要动不动就说内地穷人多,都涌到香港台湾怎么办,上海,北京也不错,没看到内地的穷人们干出什么坏事来。我也不相信他们的道德素质比政府领导,比港澳同胞们差多少。不能先限制内地的穷人们的道权,再胡说他们的素质低下,进一步用法律限制他们的道权。

平等受教育道权必须得到保障。政府必须按照人口的多少对教育来拨款,而不是所谓的发达程度。真正落实平等的义务教育制度。

平等劳动的道权必须得到保障,农村劳动力和城市劳动力必须得到平等对待。

生育道权的问题

无疑,人口爆炸是当代中国的最大问题。建议政策是基本沿用目前的政策,同时在义务教育,土地税等向只生一个倾斜。

自由问题

也许一切都应该从这里开始,也许这里应该是最后面对的问题。无论如何,当代中国公民缺少言论自由,新闻自由,结社自由,却是不争的事实。但是,如果争取自由的行为一定意味着暴力,意味着推翻先行政府,后上台者未必就能否理智的面对中国的问题。所以,自由的争取很重要,理智的争取自由就更加重要。必须有领导者站出来,组成学术团体,公众团体,政治团体也可以,提出各种尖锐的问题,方案,实施各种行为,包括起诉,竞选,递交议案,投票,结社,游行,创业等等等等。